Re: urldefense.us URLs? (was: New Git mirror for the SNL-Sequencer (code and docs))

["Johnson, Andrew N. via Tech-talk" <tech-talk at aps.anl.gov>]

Hi Simon and Lewis,

 

I am also now forced to use Outlook on a mac — Version 16.83.3 (24033013) as of this week — and clicking your link below in Outlook takes me right to the Including PVXS in your application part of Michael's page. That works from the RSS feed and the tech-talk archive too, and when reading email using the Apple Mail program on my iPad. It is apparent that when manually copying the part between the two sets of double-underscore characters "__" it is also necessary to replace an asterisk with a hash/pound/number sign character "#" but doing that then takes me to the right place as well.

 

I am sending another request about this to our ProofPoint help-line, we'll see whether they are willing to allow another exception.

 

If they won't and the EPICS community collectively decides this is unacceptable, someone else could offer to set up and manage a replacement for the tech-talk and core-talk mailing lists. I'd be happy to provide copies of the yearly mbox files from our archive and to ask the Lab to redirect the tech-talk address elsewhere, although I think that redirect would only happen after the messages have passed through ProofPoint and had their URLs rewritten. I would refer any such offers to the EPICS Council for consideration, they would probably look for an organization that would be willing to continue running the list for the long term.

 

- Andrew

 

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Complexity comes for free, Simplicity you have to work for.

 

 

On 4/10/24, 2:08 AM, "Simon Rose" <Simon.Rose at ess.eu> wrote:

 

Just as an addenda on this: in a recent post by Michael's he added this link: https: //urldefense. us/v3/__https: //mdavidsaver. github. io/pvxs/building. html*including-pvxs-in-your-application__;Iw!!G_uCfscf7eWS!cPavgS0rKwIrqxFaJq1pi36mYYa7gJVoxFpfRgC_qeHLVGuK4d8fOnEG0wllmG2HWBSeVcKsEhyRCng$

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Just as an addenda on this: in a recent post by Michael's he added this link:

https://urldefense.us/v3/__https://mdavidsaver.github.io/pvxs/building.html*including-pvxs-in-your-application__;Iw!!G_uCfscf7eWS!cPavgS0rKwIrqxFaJq1pi36mYYa7gJVoxFpfRgC_qeHLVGuK4d8fOnEG0wllmG2HWBSeVcKsEhyRCng$

which, when passed through urldefense, is completely broken (at least in mac outlook) as it chops the link after "building.html", rendering it an invalid link on urldefense. Moreover, if you try copy and paste the middle section (as was advised by Andrew), it doesn't work as it converts the # anchor into a different character.

This is perhaps as much an issue with the mac version of outlook as it is with urldefense, but it is nevertheless annoying to get an email with a link that I can neither click on nor copy and paste.

Cheers,

Simon

On 2024-04-09, 20:05, "J. Lewis Muir via Tech-talk" <tech-talk at aps.anl.gov <mailto:tech-talk at aps.anl.gov>> wrote:

On 04/02, J. Lewis Muir wrote:

> On 04/02, Johnson, Andrew N. wrote:

> > I don't think we're going to get an exception from the URL rewriting implemented by ProofPoint. I considered the idea of trying to strip it out before writing messages to the tech-talk archive, but that's not easy. Many emails now come base64-encoded with multi-part content, and if a message containing a decorated URL is signed, stripping the decoration off would break that signature. Note that ProofPoint do recognize signed messages and don't try to decorate the signed sections, so if you want your messages to not get decorated sign them before sending to the list.

> > 

> > Below are some excerpts from Argonne's FAQ about ProofPoint. I've personally stopped worrying about this, it does work as advertised for me.

> 

> Bummer. :-( As I'm sure you know, I completely disagree with this for

> the reasons I already stated upthread. Any chance of hosting the EPICS

> mailing lists elsewhere then?

Any word on hosting the EPICS mailing lists elsewhere? Or, is there

anything I could do to help with requesting an exception? ANL's policy

is just crazy here. I can see forcing their policy on ANL employees

when mail is delivered to each of their inboxes, but this is happening

on a mailing list that, by definition, has no inbox. If ANL is going

to do this kind of URL rewriting, it should be done before delivery to

each ANL employee's inbox, not before being sent to all the recipients

of a mailing list. And I don't think I mentioned it earlier, but it

also messes up the mailing list archives because now URLs are wrapped in

these urldefense.us URLs, which means the urldefense.us URLs must remain

valid and functional for as long as the archives are expected to last.

Lewis