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Subject: RE: Idea for new Display Manager
From: [email protected]
To: "Mark Rivers" <[email protected]>
Cc: "'[email protected]'" <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2018 10:12:05 -0800 (PST)
That's faster than most network cards already (@ 1 Gbps) so it seems to me
one would want specialized equipment / setup.  I think Samsung has HDs
that go at 500+ MB/s solid state, but you'd probably want everything to go
to a RAM drive, it's as fast as RAM.

It see that as an equipment issue, not a method issue.



> We want to display 2 mega-pixel RGB images at 30 Hz = 180 MB/s.  Is SQL
> going to handle that efficiently?
>
> Mark
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email protected]
>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf
>> Of [email protected]
>> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2018 11:46 AM
>> To: Pete Jemian <[email protected]>
>> Cc: [email protected]
>> Subject: Re: Idea for new Display Manager
>>
>> Well anyone interested in building a display manager right now has to
>> know
>> about Epics and use Epics libraries - which is somewhat specialized, and
>> also how to program - also specialized.  If there was a SQL database
>> intermediary, then they only have to know how to interact with a SQL
>> database (part of a typical software curriculum).  It segregates the
>> data/control from how said data is displayed or interacted with.
>>
>> If the system used in a display manager changes, becomes outdated (like
>> Motif), no matter - the SQL database standards are the same.
>>
>> As you say, "One can already use any language, any system, to control
>> and
>> display data..." which is true, today - though I have trouble compiling
>> edm for Ubuntu 64.  With this method though, a rather intensive effort
>> admittedly, a display manager would be compatible with languages of
>> tomorrow too, ones not even invented yet.  As long as they are SQL
>> database compatible, which they will be, or they won't take off as a
>> language.
>>
>> Cheers
>> James Richard Larsson
>>
>>
>> > Now I'm confused.
>> >
>> > On 3/1/2018 10:46 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>> >> All the displays managers for Epics *look* far behind what is
>> available
>> >> from commercial systems, say Schneider or Rockwell.  Which are
>> >> themselves
>> >> far behind what programmers are doing today with, a modern operating
>> >> system or video games (also control interfaces).  And that's what
>> we're
>> >> talking about right, at least in part, how it looks, or how we
>> display
>> >> data?  Otherwise we could just use camonitor on a terminal with
>> caput.
>> >>
>> >> I think the key to having a decent display manager, one that adapts
>> to
>> >> new
>> >> technologies, better/different formats (say HTML5/PHP, Qt, text a la
>> >> Lynx,
>> >> or some fancy Virtual Reality / VTK / QT3d initiative) is to have
>> Epics
>> >> easily push/pull from a database (say MySQL, PostgreSQL).  Once that
>> is
>> >> done one could use any language, any system, to control and display
>> data
>> >> as long as said language or method can access a typical database.
>> >>
>> >> As a side benefit to using a properly setup database one would
>> >> automatically get an archive, and the benefits of database
>> >> synchronization/backup, and seamless data compression.
>> >>
>> >> (Also if someone is excited and jumping in to do this my vote is for
>> >> submitting it the Package Management Debian/Ubuntu repository.  I'm a
>> >> control systems engineer, and want to spend my time controlling
>> systems,
>> >> not compiling very particular versions of modules, libraries,
>> plugins,
>> >> and
>> >> endless environment variables just to begin my work.)
>> >>
>> >> My two cents & cheers!
>> >>
>> >> James Richard Larsson
>> >>
>> >
>> > What is the value in adding an additional intermediate component, such
>> > as a SQL database server, to solve the inadequacies of the various
>> > existing display managers?  That's a new piece of work for this
>> > discussion.  Each IOC already provides the data servers with a common
>> > protocol.  One can already use any language, any system, to control
>> and
>> > display data as long as said language or method can access an EPICS
>> IOC.
>> >
>> > Pete
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > ----------------------------------------------------------
>> > Pete R. Jemian, Ph.D.                 <[email protected]>
>> > Beam line Controls and Data Acquisition (BC, aka BCDA)
>> > Advanced Photon Source,    Argonne National Laboratory
>> > Argonne, IL  60439                    630 - 252 - 3189
>> > -----------------------------------------------------------
>> >        Education is the one thing for which people
>> >           are willing to pay yet not receive.
>> > -----------------------------------------------------------
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>
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