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Subject: Re: Fwd: request for config. steps
From: Pavel Masloff <pavel.masloff@gmail.com>
To: Mark Rivers <rivers@cars.uchicago.edu>
Cc: "Jiri.Jerabek@eli-beams.eu" <Jiri.Jerabek@eli-beams.eu>, "tech-talk@aps.anl.gov" <tech-talk@aps.anl.gov>
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 23:34:56 +0400
That's right, Mark!
I am using gnuwin32 make on win7 (x86) and winxp sp3 (x86) and haven't had any problems so far. Mingw didn't work for me.
Thanks Claude! As a recent beginner I used nearly the same steps for getting into EPICS (thank you Dirk Zimoch).
Jiri, if you have any particular question (not modbus specific, however), I would be pleased to answer, since I am a little bit ahead). Fill free to ask!


On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 10:32 PM, Mark Rivers <rivers@cars.uchicago.edu> wrote:
Claude has given a good summary.

The only thing I would add is that some people have had problems with the MingGW version of "make".  I have found that the GnuWIN32 version of "make" gives fewer problems.

And I don't think you even need the STD module uncommented to use the MODBUS module.  MODBUS only depends on ASYN and EPICS base.

Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: tech-talk-bounces@aps.anl.gov [mailto:tech-talk-bounces@aps.anl.gov] On Behalf Of Claude Saunders
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 11:49 AM
To: tech-talk@aps.anl.gov; Jiri.Jerabek@eli-beams.eu
Subject: Re: Fwd: request for config. steps

Hi Jiri,
Good timing, as just over the weekend I completed a simple EPICS IOC on
Win7 using modbus support to talk to a real PLC over serial RTU. This is
a home-project so I can control/monitor my aquaponics system. Doing the
same for modbus-TCP and a simulated PLC is a minor change. I can give
you some pointers, however as Andrew noted, it does take some learning.
First of all, you could do all of this on one notebook running Win7
(assuming your modbus simulator is a Win7 exe). No need for multiple
systems. The most difficult part will be some of the build behavior due
to the differences between Windows and Unix paths.

In general, what you need is EPICS base and something called synApps (a
packaging of EPICS with LOTS of add-ons targeted for beamline instrument
control). SynApps will provide asyn and modbus modules which will allow
you to hook EPICS base up to any modbus device. Alternately, you can get
the pieces separately, but I just get the whole synApps release as it is
already tested for particular combinations of modules.

You have a choice of compilers from cygwin, Microsoft Visual Studio for
C++, or MinGW tools. I wound up settling on the MS Visual Studio for C++
2008 Express Edition. The newer 2010 edition will have problems
compiling some parts in synApps. My steps below also assume a 32-bit
Windows build.

Rough steps are:
0. Install Visual Studio for C++ 2008 Express Edition free from Microsoft
1. get EPICS base (latest is R3.14.12.2) from www.aps.anl.gov/epics
2. Unzip/Untar it, set environment variables in DOS shell using
epics/base/startup/win32.bat as an example (you'll have to customize
it). For me, I used EPICS_HOST_ARCH=win32-x86.
3. Edit epics/base/configure/CONFIG_SITE so that it specifies
SHARED_LIBRARIES=NO and STATIC_BUILD=YES (evidently you can do a shared
library build, but I wasn't able to get it to work).
4. Get ActiveState perl or Strawberry perl and install
5. Get MinGW make tool (I just got whole MinGW for C++ setup)
6. Do a mingw32-make in epics/base directory and hope it builds
7. get synApps 5.6 from http://www.aps.anl.gov/bcda/synApps/index.php (
you'll need html doc too)
8. Untar that so you have a synApps/support directory
9. Edit synApps/support/configure/RELEASE file. For RELEASE, I think you
will just need the following modules uncommented:
       ASYN, MODBUS, STD
10. Edit synApps/support/configure/EPICS_BASE.win32-x86 so it knows
where your epics/base is
11. Edit synApps/support/configure/SUPPORT.win32-x86 so it knows where
synApps/support is
12. Do a mingw32-make release
13. Do a mingw32-make and hope it builds
14. On the web page from step 7, scroll down and click to modbus module
and read the modbusDoc.html
15. You will find a Koyo PLC example in
synApps/support/modbus-2-3/iocBoot/iocTest
        The st.cmd is what bootstraps the IOC, and it points to
Koyo1.cmd which has the setup to talk to a Koyo PLC. This combined with
the modbusDoc.html is pretty self-documenting.
16. Assuming you have figured out how to create a "Koyo1.cmd" for your
needs, you start the IOC with
         cd synApps/support/modbus-2-3/iocBoot/iocTest
         ../../bin/win32-x86/modbusApp.exe st.cmd

It will take some reading/learning to know how to set up the
st.cmd/Koyo1.cmd. The first part basically sets up the connection to the
PLC and then the "asyn ports" that point to coils/contacts/registers in
the PLC. You then have to dbLoadTemplate (or similar) to define an EPICS
record for each of those asyn ports. That EPICS record is what gives you
the ability to use any EPICS Channel Access client to read/write values
from anywhere on the network. Once you can do a caget.exe and caput.exe
to your EPICS record, then you can go learn about the vast landscape of
really cool EPICS client programs.

The above are general steps. You will have problems and want to tear
your hair out. It takes a while to build up the necessary knowledge, and
having a fellow EPICS person around helps a lot. It's hard to do over
email, but hopefully I've got you started.

    regards, Claude


On 03/05/2012 10:49 AM, Andrew Johnson wrote:
> Hi Jiří,
>
> I am forwarding this email to our tech-talk mailing list as there are many
> other people on the list with more experience than I have in building and
> using EPICS on Win7 and with Modbus.
>
> On your general points yes you can think of an EPICS IOC as a SCADA engine,
> although being open we are a lot more extensible (and less standardized) than
> most PLCs.  It is important to be aware that we do not make any promises as
> far as network security goes, EPICS traffic should be contained within a
> strongly-firewalled network since DoS attacks are trivial to create and it is
> easy to impersonate other users over the Channel Access protocol.
>
> As you are already aware, the learning curve for EPICS is unfortunately rather
> hard; there are a number of training presentations and even videos of past
> courses available, but I'm not aware of any that would quickly address your
> particular setup.
>
> You can run the IOC code on Windows, you won't need RTEMS at all for what
> you're wanting to do.  There are a number of sites running EPICS inside VMs.
> In both cases you will probably need to adjust your firewall settings to get
> the network connections working properly though.
>
> Tech-talk:
>
> Can someone with more Windows 7 experience point Jiří in the right direction
> for what he's wanting to do please.
>
> - Andrew
>
> ----------  Forwarded Message  ----------
>
> Subject: request for config. steps
> Date: Friday 02 March 2012
> From: Jeřábek Jiří<Jiri.Jerabek@eli-beams.eu>
> To: "anj@aps.anl.gov"<anj@aps.anl.gov>
>
> Hi Andrew,
>
>
>
> Sorry for inconvenience.
>
> I am a novice with EPICS.  I have extended SCADA, DCS,  OPC, Modbus, PLCs
> experience besides other.
> I am not a comp.sci. specialist by my profession and have no practical
> experience with Linux, C++, Perl and so on.
> I have experience with physical instrumentation and  industrial  field
> instrumentation.
>
> If  I am correct, I understand  EPICS as  a generalized, scalable, open  SCADA
> engine (without particular  HMI)
>
> As it is very diffcult, if not impossible, for me to acquire  within a short
> period  necessary  knowledge by self-study  only,  I decided to address you
> for a basic navigation help  with  setting  an EPICS client and building an
> IOC.  Maybe  a hand drawn  flow diagram  would be  initially sufficient.
> I do not request  detailed cookbook at all even asking for some details
> anyway.
>
> I would like to build a small setup having:
>
>    * Two notebooks  with Win7
>    * A small „Modbus.exe“  simulator  with Modbus TCP protocol.
>
> The  aim is to access for simplicity only one holding register  in the Modbus
> simulator and say only for “Read” operation.
>
> As I understand  by now,  the   IOC should be  created/built  in my situation
> on  one notebook (including a local EPICS Client), the second one   would
> support only the Modbus simulator  application.
>
> Could you  please to give me  a rough itemized  set up skeleton for sequence
> of implementation steps?
>
>
>    * What to do first, second , etc?
>    * What to study  to  go across  particular steps?
>    * How to build/install  an EPICS client (I want  to have only one field
> shown, exactly with the Modbus register).
>    * How to  build  an  appropriate IOC  and  a its  database?
>
> Am I able to build the EPICS stuff  under Win7 or it would be necessary  to
> boot the notebook with other OS, to use RTEMS or so…?
> I have no idea…
> Btw. are  anywhere  instructions  for using  virtual machines? My experience
> is that  there could be a problem with  network card  incompatibility for
> particular combination of virtual machine vs PC NIC .
>
>
> With best regards,
>
> Jiri
>
>
>
> Jiri Jerabek
> SCADA specialist
> www.fzu.cz<http://www.fzu.cz>
> www.eli-beams.eu<http://www.eli-beams.eu>
>
> -----------------------------------------


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References:
Fwd: request for config. steps Andrew Johnson
Re: Fwd: request for config. steps Claude Saunders
RE: Fwd: request for config. steps Mark Rivers

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