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On 5/6/23 11:11, Bisegni, Claudio wrote:
> Hi Michael,
>
> Unfortunally my application could talk with PVs that are hosted only on CA protocol. So, I have to manage also this case.

I hope that you can encourage those responsible for these PVs to upgrade at some point soon.


> I could execute two monitor on CA PV for listen over two different set of fields and recombine the full structure on client side.
>
> Could be a clean solution?

"Clean" is relative.  The usual way this is handled (assuming a fairly recent epics-base)
is to create two subscriptions.  In the language of libca, one with a DBR_TIME_* type and
event mask DBE_VALUE|DBE_ALARM, and a second with a DBR_CTRL_* type and DBE_PROPERTY.
The dbf_type_to_DBR_*() type promotion macros can help here.

Once both subscriptions have delivered at least the initial update, then you will have a
complete view.  There are some edge cases since these two CA subscriptions may not be as
well synchronized as the one PVA subscription would be.  However, in practice this probably
won't be an issue since DBE_PROPERTY updates are relatively rare.

Of course, if you have an older epics-base where libca doesn't (fully) support DBE_PROPERTY,
the conventional thing to do is to issue a one time GET for DBR_CTRL_* instead of a
second subscription.


> Claudio
>
> *From: *Michael Davidsaver <mdavidsaver at gmail.com>
> *Date: *Saturday, 6 May 2023 at 08:28
> *To: *Bisegni, Claudio <bisegni at slac.stanford.edu>
> *Cc: *Andrew Johnson <anj at anl.gov>, Veseli, Sinisa <sveseli at anl.gov>, tech-talk at aps.anl.gov <tech-talk at aps.anl.gov>
> *Subject: *Re: timestampField not retrieved using CA provider for pvac::ClientChannel
>
> Hello Claudio,
>
> On 5/5/23 12:50, Andrew Johnson via Tech-talk wrote:
>> The Channel Access network layer can only retrieve specific combinations of metadata corresponding to the DBR types which the native CA code implements, so it's not possible to fetch the timeStamp and alarm data at the same time as other kinds of data such  as the display, control or alarm limits. Unfortunately the CA provider doesn't give any errors if you ask for a combination that it can't provide, it just gives you a subset of the metadata — it might be better if it threw an exception, but it doesn't. I think that fully explains your symptoms.
>
> I think it is worth emphasizing that this CA protocol limitation is _not_ shared by the PVA protocol.
> What you tried should work if you were able to use the PVA tools with their native PVA protocol.
>
> Have you tested to see if the PVs you are interested in are also served over PVA?
>
>
>> - Andrew
>>
>>
>> On 5/5/23 2:44 PM, Bisegni, Claudio wrote:
>>>
>>> Should be a my mistake because if I use the pvget with the specific parameter it work:
>>>
>>> developer@e058f4bc2090:/workspace$ pvget -p ca -r "field(field,timeStamp,alarm)" ca:variable:a
>>>
>>> ca:variable:a structure
>>>
>>>     alarm_t alarm
>>>
>>>         int severity 0
>>>
>>> int status 0
>>>
>>>   string message
>>>
>>>     time_t timeStamp 2023-05-05 19:22:59.521
>>>
>>>         long secondsPastEpoch 1683314579
>>>
>>> int nanoseconds 521323913
>>>
>>> int userTag 0
>>>
>>> I am digging into it.
>>>
>>> Anyway, thank you for point me in the right direction
>>>
>>> Claudio
>>>
>>> *From: *Bisegni, Claudio <bisegni at slac.stanford.edu>
>>> *Date: *Friday, 5 May 2023 at 12:24
>>> *To: *Andrew Johnson <anj at anl.gov>, Veseli, Sinisa <sveseli at anl.gov>, tech-talk at aps.anl.gov <tech-talk at aps.anl.gov>
>>> *Subject: *Re: timestampField not retrieved using CA provider for pvac::ClientChannel
>>>
>>> I fixed the error reported by Sinisa (the reference to other channel for the sum)
>>>
>>> I changed the pv name and not I’m trying to get data from ca:variable:a(below) could be some problem on c++ layer of pvData?
>>>
>>> I done:
>>>
>>> caput ca:variable:a.PROC 1
>>>
>>> caput ca:variable:a.PROC 1
>>>
>>> and the I got:
>>>
>>> structure
>>>
>>>     double value 1
>>>
>>> alarm_t alarm
>>>
>>> int severity 0
>>>
>>> int status 0
>>>
>>> string message
>>>
>>>     display_t display
>>>
>>> double limitLow 0
>>>
>>> double limitHigh 0
>>>
>>> string description
>>>
>>>         string format F6.0
>>>
>>> string units
>>>
>>>     control_t control
>>>
>>> double limitLow 0
>>>
>>> double limitHigh 100
>>>
>>> double minStep 0
>>>
>>> valueAlarm_t valueAlarm
>>>
>>> boolean active false
>>>
>>> double lowAlarmLimit nan
>>>
>>> double lowWarningLimit nan
>>>
>>> double highWarningLimit nan
>>>
>>> double highAlarmLimit nan
>>>
>>>  int lowAlarmSeverity 0
>>>
>>> int lowWarningSeverity 0
>>>
>>> int highWarningSeverity 0
>>>
>>> int highAlarmSeverity 0
>>>
>>> byte hysteresis 0
>>>
>>> regards
>>>
>>> Claudio
>>>
>>> *From: *Andrew Johnson <anj at anl.gov>
>>> *Date: *Friday, 5 May 2023 at 11:46
>>> *To: *Bisegni, Claudio <bisegni at slac.stanford.edu>, Veseli, Sinisa <sveseli at anl.gov>, tech-talk at aps.anl.gov <tech-talk at aps.anl.gov>
>>> *Subject: *Re: timestampField not retrieved using CA provider for pvac::ClientChannel
>>>
>>> Hi Claudio,
>>>
>>> Please try running the command
>>>
>>>     caput ca:variable:sum.PROC 1
>>>
>>> and then run your client again. I suspect that the timestamp of your CALC record is still undefined i.e. 0,0 and that's why it isn't getting displayed.
>>>
>>> - Andrew
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/5/23 1:23 PM, Bisegni, Claudio via Tech-talk wrote:
>>>
>>>     Hi yes sure:
>>>
>>>     This is my code:
>>>
>>>     auto ca_provider = std::make_unique<pvac::ClientProvider>("ca", epics::pvAccess::ConfigurationBuilder().push_env().build());
>>>
>>>     auto channel = std::make_shared<pvac::ClientChannel>(provider.connect(pv_name, opt));
>>>
>>>     auto op = channel->get(this, pvd::createRequest("field()"));
>>>
>>>     …
>>>
>>>     I need to specify that I connect to a IOCs launched with “sofIOC -d xyz.db” this si the content of the DB:
>>>
>>>     record(ao, "ca:variable:a")
>>>
>>>     {
>>>
>>>         field(DRVH, "100")
>>>
>>>         field(DOL, "0")
>>>
>>>         field(PINI, "YES")
>>>
>>>     }
>>>
>>>     record(ao, "ca:variable:b")
>>>
>>>     {
>>>
>>>         field(DRVH, "100")
>>>
>>>         field(DOL, "0")
>>>
>>>         field(PINI, "YES")
>>>
>>>     }
>>>
>>>     record(calc, "ca:variable:sum")
>>>
>>>     {
>>>
>>>         field(SCAN, "1 second")
>>>
>>>         field(INPA, "variable:a")
>>>
>>>         field(INPB, "variable:b")
>>>
>>>         field(CALC, "A+B")
>>>
>>>     }
>>>
>>>     I got this as answer on get operation:
>>>
>>>     structure
>>>
>>>         double value 3
>>>
>>>         alarm_t alarm
>>>
>>>             int severity 0
>>>
>>>             int status 0
>>>
>>>             string message
>>>
>>>         display_t display
>>>
>>>             double limitLow 0
>>>
>>>             double limitHigh 0
>>>
>>>             string description
>>>
>>>             string format F6.0
>>>
>>>             string units
>>>
>>>         control_t control
>>>
>>>             double limitLow 0
>>>
>>>             double limitHigh 0
>>>
>>>             double minStep 0
>>>
>>>         valueAlarm_t valueAlarm
>>>
>>>             boolean active false
>>>
>>>             double lowAlarmLimit nan
>>>
>>>             double lowWarningLimit nan
>>>
>>>             double highWarningLimit nan
>>>
>>>             double highAlarmLimit nan
>>>
>>>             int lowAlarmSeverity 0
>>>
>>>             int lowWarningSeverity 0
>>>
>>>             int highWarningSeverity 0
>>>
>>>             int highAlarmSeverity 0
>>>
>>>             byte hysteresis 0
>>>
>>>     *From: *Veseli, Sinisa <sveseli at anl.gov> <mailto:sveseli at anl.gov <mailto:sveseli at anl.gov>>
>>>     *Date: *Friday, 5 May 2023 at 11:05
>>>     *To: *Bisegni, Claudio <bisegni at slac.stanford.edu> <mailto:bisegni at slac.stanford.edu <mailto:bisegni at slac.stanford.edu>>, tech-talk at aps.anl.gov <tech-talk at aps.anl.gov> <mailto:tech-talk at aps.anl.gov <mailto:tech-talk at aps.anl.gov>>
>>>     *Subject: *Re: timestampField not retrieved using CA provider for pvac::ClientChannel
>>>
>>>     Hi,
>>>
>>>     I am not sure I understand what is going on. Perhaps you could include your code so we can see what exactly you are trying to do?
>>>
>>>     Also, if you'd like to get all fields, the string 'field()' or just empty string '' should work:
>>>
>>>     >>> print(c.get('field()'))
>>>
>>>     epics:nt/NTEnum:1.0
>>>
>>>     enum_t value
>>>
>>>       int index 0
>>>
>>>       string[] choices [Off, On]
>>>
>>>     alarm_t alarm
>>>
>>>       int severity 0
>>>
>>>       int status 0
>>>
>>>       string message
>>>
>>>     time_t timeStamp
>>>
>>>       long secondsPastEpoch 1683129086
>>>
>>>       int nanoseconds 834120910
>>>
>>>       int userTag 0
>>>
>>>     --
>>>
>>>     Siniša Veseli
>>>
>>>     Scientific Software Engineering & Data Management
>>>
>>>     Advanced Photon Source
>>>
>>>     Argonne National Laboratory
>>>
>>>     sveseli at anl.gov
>>>
>>>     (630)252-9182
>>>
>>>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>     *From:*Bisegni, Claudio <bisegni at slac.stanford.edu> <mailto:bisegni at slac.stanford.edu <mailto:bisegni at slac.stanford.edu>>
>>>     *Sent:* Friday, May 5, 2023 12:56 PM
>>>     *To:* Veseli, Sinisa <sveseli at anl.gov> <mailto:sveseli at anl.gov <mailto:sveseli at anl.gov>>; tech-talk at aps.anl.gov <tech-talk at aps.anl.gov> <mailto:tech-talk at aps.anl.gov <mailto:tech-talk at aps.anl.gov>>
>>>     *Subject:* Re: timestampField not retrieved using CA provider for pvac::ClientChannel
>>>
>>>     I tried to set request field as:
>>>
>>>     pvd::createRequest("field(value, timeStamp, alarm, display, control, valueAlarm)
>>>
>>>     but I didn’t get the timeStamp Field in PVStructure. The request field work well for all other (for CA provider) for the PVA provider, instead, I always got every field also if I put only “filed(value)” in the request.
>>>
>>>     I’m wrong somenting….
>>>
>>>     Claudio
>>>
>>>     *From: *Bisegni, Claudio <bisegni at slac.stanford.edu> <mailto:bisegni at slac.stanford.edu <mailto:bisegni at slac.stanford.edu>>
>>>     *Date: *Friday, 5 May 2023 at 10:44
>>>     *To: *Veseli, Sinisa <sveseli at anl.gov> <mailto:sveseli at anl.gov <mailto:sveseli at anl.gov>>, tech-talk at aps.anl.gov <tech-talk at aps.anl.gov> <mailto:tech-talk at aps.anl.gov <mailto:tech-talk at aps.anl.gov>>
>>>     *Subject: *Re: timestampField not retrieved using CA provider for pvac::ClientChannel
>>>
>>>     Hi,
>>>
>>>     Thank you for yor help, is effect on get operation I use the default request, so Iat this point I need to use pvd::createRequest("field(value, timeStamp, alarm, display, control, valueAlarm)"));to retrieve all field
>>>
>>>     I’ll give a try!
>>>
>>>     Thank you very much.
>>>
>>>     Claudio
>>>
>>>     *From: *Veseli, Sinisa <sveseli at anl.gov> <mailto:sveseli at anl.gov <mailto:sveseli at anl.gov>>
>>>     *Date: *Friday, 5 May 2023 at 09:55
>>>     *To: *tech-talk at aps.anl.gov <tech-talk at aps.anl.gov> <mailto:tech-talk at aps.anl.gov <mailto:tech-talk at aps.anl.gov>>, Bisegni, Claudio <bisegni at slac.stanford.edu> <mailto:bisegni at slac.stanford.edu <mailto:bisegni at slac.stanford.edu>>
>>>     *Subject: *Re: timestampField not retrieved using CA provider for pvac::ClientChannel
>>>
>>>     Hi,
>>>
>>>     I am not sure exactly why is there a difference in behavior between caget and pvget, but you should be able to get timestamps if you request them explicitly:
>>>
>>>     $ caget -a S01-DAQTBT:Strm:DataCaptureC
>>>
>>>     S01-DAQTBT:Strm:DataCaptureC   2023-05-03 10:51:26.834121 Off
>>>
>>>     PV request string like field(value,timeStamp) should work from C++:
>>>
>>>     >>> from pvapy import *
>>>
>>>     >>> c = Channel('S01-DAQTBT:Strm:DataCaptureC', CA)
>>>
>>>     >>> print(c.get('field(value,timeStamp)'))
>>>
>>>     epics:nt/NTEnum:1.0
>>>
>>>       enum_t value
>>>
>>>           int index 0
>>>
>>>           string[] choices [Off, On]
>>>
>>>       time_t timeStamp
>>>
>>>           long secondsPastEpoch 1683129086
>>>
>>>           int nanoseconds 834120910
>>>
>>>           int userTag 0
>>>
>>>     Hope this helps,
>>>
>>>     Sinisa
>>>
>>>     --
>>>
>>>     Siniša Veseli
>>>
>>>     Scientific Software Engineering & Data Management
>>>
>>>     Advanced Photon Source
>>>
>>>     Argonne National Laboratory
>>>
>>>     sveseli at anl.gov
>>>
>>>     (630)252-9182
>>>
>>>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>     *From:*Tech-talk <tech-talk-bounces at aps.anl.gov> <mailto:tech-talk-bounces at aps.anl.gov <mailto:tech-talk-bounces at aps.anl.gov>> on behalf of Bisegni, Claudio via Tech-talk <tech-talk at aps.anl.gov> <mailto:tech-talk at aps.anl.gov <mailto:tech-talk at aps.anl.gov>>
>>>     *Sent:* Friday, May 5, 2023 11:39 AM
>>>     *To:* tech-talk at aps.anl.gov <tech-talk at aps.anl.gov> <mailto:tech-talk at aps.anl.gov <mailto:tech-talk at aps.anl.gov>>
>>>     *Subject:* timestampField not retrieved using CA provider for pvac::ClientChannel
>>>
>>>     Hello EPICS tech,
>>>
>>>     I'm working with last epics release and I have notice that making a get operation for an IOC using a CA provider for crete a pvac::ClientChannel I don't receive the timestamp field:
>>>
>>>     I noticed that also the official caget has the problem:
>>>
>>>     developer@e058f4bc2090:/workspace$ pvget variable:sum
>>>
>>>     variable:sum 2023-05-05 16:34:54.607 3
>>>
>>>     developer@e058f4bc2090:/workspace$ caget variable:sum
>>>
>>>     variable:sum 3
>>>
>>>     so is a client library problem or a server or something else?
>>>
>>>     Thank
>>>
>>>     you in advance.
>>>
>>>     Claudio
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Complexity is free, it's Simplicity that takes work.
>>
>> --
>> Complexity is free, it's Simplicity that takes work.
>>
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