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Subject: Re: Insertion Devices Control and EPICS
From: David Maden <David.Maden@psi.ch>
To: tech-talk@aps.anl.gov
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 16:02:56 +0100
Here are some more thoughts ... I'm not actually responsible for insertion device software here at SLS but I had a quick talk with Timo Korhonen (who was responsible) before composing this, so I hope it gives a reasonable representation of our experience ... any errors are mine, not Timo's.

As long as we are talking about stepper motors, I should be very surprised if the existing EPICS motor support is unable to handle the application, _assuming that you have got your engineering correct_, i.e. your motors do not lose steps. The OMS card generates deterministic pulse trains to its motors as given by the acceleration and other motor parameters. Hence, the motions of the 2 ends of the insertion device are also deterministic.

The problem therefore reduces to getting the motors to start synchronously. This can be done pretty (sorry, I can't quantify any of this; it hasn't been an issue that has required measurements) reliably by driving both motors from a single OMS card triggered by suitable fan-out and motor records in the same ioc which is controlling the OMS card.

We have such insertion devices at SLS and they work fine ... well most of the time. There can be problems if a movement is aborted and the direction of motion is then changed. I shouldn't think that using the synchronised motion support of the OMS card is going to help is such situations anyway.

Servo motors are more tricky. We do have some insertion devices driven by servo motors. In these cases, the magnetic forces between the components are such that it turned out to be inadequate to use encoders on the motor shafts. We had to have encoders measuring both ends of the undulator gap and feed these encoder signals into the corresponding OMS cards. The PID control in the OMS cards then manages to keep the 2 ends of the undulators sufficiently synchronised.

David Maden

Bob Dalesio wrote:
Some options:
Use the hardware capability in the OMS card -
Requires modification to driver, device support and record support. Perhaps write an undulator record that accesses this synchronized move in the modified driver.


Modify the driver support to wakeup the database on each readback. The driver reads the motor position at 30 Hz. If there was analog input device support that posted this event, database logic could be used to wake up at 30 Hz while the motor is moving and verify that the difference in the gaps is constant or within tolerance. A stop to the motors if they are starting to diverge would occur within 40 msec. This would be a minimal change to the device support and driver and may still meet the requirements.

Bob


On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:38:17 +0100 Rok Sabjan <rok.sabjan@cosylab.com> wrote:

Hello everyone!

I'm trying to prepare a proposal for ID control system at Diamond. During that time I have been asking some people some questions how this is currently managed in EPICS. To my surprise I found out that there was no clear way to solve this problem. I had a discussion with Tim Mooney and we were thinking of some possible solutions for the biggest problem - synchronous motor movement under EPICS. We have developed some suggestions, but I think it is time to broaden the discussion to tech-talk. There may be more people interested in such solutions and there are probably some people with some experience on the matter.

First let me remind everyone on the problem. We have two (or more) motors which we would like to move synchronously. This means to guarantee the movement will start and end at the same time. This is extremely important when changing the gap of an insertion device.

One may suggest that we should just wire the signal lines together (hardware solution) and use one signal line to control multiple motors, but we also want to move these motors independently. We may implement some logic (using FPGA or some other programmable logic) to multiplex this one signal line in one operation mode and use multiple signals for different motors in some other mode.

The OMS VME58 card, which is normally used in EPICS for motion control, supports such synchronized moves, but this is (to my knowledge and experience) not supported via EPICS motor record and device support. We should also provide some kind of sync record, which would take control of correspondent motor records (when instructed to do so) and would then perform the synchronized moves. Needless to say, there are a lot of design choices to identify and make on the behaviour of this record.

This mail is intended to identify people who have common interest for such a development in EPICS community. Definitely, we will have to make some modifications to the existing motor software if we decide to go through with any of these ideas. The idea is to make a general EPICS solution for such situations.

Cheers,
Rok


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