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Subject: Re: IOC databank
From: Han Lee via Tech-talk <tech-talk at aps.anl.gov>
To: ptran1 at bnl.gov
Cc: EPICS Tech Talk <tech-talk at aps.anl.gov>
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2024 10:36:55 -0700
Hi Alex,

According to your explanation, the EPICS community does not have a centralized IOC databank historically. Your special jarson "databank" made me a bit confused, but now I understand due to AlphaFold.
 
I understand your pain to look for existing and available IOCs, which we typically call "IOC" applications. My 1 cent tip is to send an email to tech talk, here!, so the responsible person will reply.

I have a bit different view from others regarding ChatGPT, Gemini, or others, since they can give me a deeper insight which I never get from the community personally. Sometimes, I am a bit shy to share my stupidity with the public. In that case, they are good companions for me. Still, I don't trust them 100% either. In some ways, I don't trust anyone including myself 100% as well.

My personal thoughts regarding the EPICS IOC Application Databank cannot be realized due to generic limited resources (budget, labor, and so on) among the entire EPICS community. It may be the fact that we cannot overcome that our working life is full of  ***  management, vendors, devices, equipment, downtime, programming languages, engineers, and scientists including myself.

Best,
Han



On Fri, Mar 15, 2024 at 1:04 AM Ralph Lange via Tech-talk <tech-talk at aps.anl.gov> wrote:
NO!

EPICS is a toolset and IOCs are the results of specialized applications generated with that toolset. Even if they are connecting to the same type of device, every installation's IOC would be different. It would have different names for records, use different network addresses and configuration, maybe add local extensions that no one else uses...

Let me try an analogy...

In a world where everyone uses the same text editing software, your want to write a motivation letter for a university application. Your question would translate to "is there a central database of letters?", arguing that you can use generative AI like ChatGPT to write a perfect motivation letter for you.
But your letter needs to have your name, your address, your university, the matching address, your own motivation and your style. (You also may want to add your CV and your photo instead of the artificial life that ChatGPT invented.)
If you mail the ChatGPT generated letter, you won't even get an interview.

And - as Simon pointed out - the latest versions of those systems have become a lot better. They don't generate obvious BS anymore - now it's harder-to-detect BS.
Still BS.

Cheers,
~Ralph



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References:
IOC databank Tran, Phi Dung via Tech-talk
Re: IOC databank Timo Korhonen via Tech-talk
Re: IOC databank Tran, Phi Dung via Tech-talk
Re: IOC databank Ralph Lange via Tech-talk

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