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Subject: Re: Channel Access Timeouts - ca(get|put) CA Priority
From: "Yendell, Gary \(DLSLtd, RAL, LSCI\) via Tech-talk" <tech-talk at aps.anl.gov>
To: "Johnson, Andrew N." <anj at anl.gov>
Cc: EPICS tech-talk <tech-talk at aps.anl.gov>
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2021 16:27:05 +0000
Hi Andrew,

Thanks for the info!

We do build base with the correct flag, but the IOCs are not currently configured to run with sufficient privileges:

$ ps -To pid,tid,policy,rtprio,comm -p 40735
  PID   TID POL RTPRIO COMMAND
40735 40735 TS       - BL07I-EA-IOC-03
...

$ cat /proc/40735/status
...
VmSize: 3204140 kB
VmLck:       0 kB


I will look into that. I also tried running caSnooper:

$ caSnooper -t60 -p10 -c5
Starting CaSnooper 2.1.2.3 (7-3-2013) at Jul 26 15:25:18
EPICS 3.14.12.7
cas warning: Configured TCP port was unavailable.
cas warning: Using dynamically assigned TCP port 40554,
cas warning: but now two or more servers share the same UDP port.
cas warning: Depending on your IP kernel this server may not be
cas warning: reachable with UDP unicast (a host's IP in EPICS_CA_ADDR_LIST)
Individual Name is CaSnoop.test
Internal PV names are not being published

CaSnooper terminating after 60.01 seconds [1.00 minutes]
  Data collected for 60.01 seconds [1.00 minutes]

Jul 26 15:26:18:
There were 15078 requests to check for PV existence for 1960 different PVs.
  Max(Hz):   5.58
  Mean(Hz):  0.13
  StDev(Hz): 0.36

PVs with top 10 requests:
   1 bl07i-di-serv-02.diamond.ac.uk:44724 CP                                5.58
   2 bl07i-di-serv-02.diamond.ac.uk:48529 CP                                5.52
   3 bl07i-di-serv-02.diamond.ac.uk:51380 CP                                4.27
   4 i07-ppu01.diamond.ac.uk:37171  CP                                4.27
   5 i07-ppu01.diamond.ac.uk:49508  CP                                2.98
   6 i07-ppu01.diamond.ac.uk:52783  CP                                2.73
   7 bl07i-va-ioc-01.diamond.ac.uk:1027 BL07I-VA-VLVCC-01:DM5XX           2.67
   8 bl07i-va-ioc-01.diamond.ac.uk:1027 BL07I-VA-VLVCC-02:DM5XX           2.67
   9 bl07i-va-ioc-01.diamond.ac.uk:1027 BL07I-VA-VLVCC-01:DM4XX           2.67
  10 bl07i-va-ioc-01.diamond.ac.uk:1027 BL07I-VA-VLVCC-02:DM3XX           2.67

Connection status for top 5 PVs after 10.00 sec:
   1 bl07i-di-serv-02.diamond.ac.uk:44724 CP                                NC 5.58
   2 bl07i-di-serv-02.diamond.ac.uk:48529 CP                                NC 5.52
   3 bl07i-di-serv-02.diamond.ac.uk:51380 CP                                NC 4.27
   4 i07-ppu01.diamond.ac.uk:37171  CP                                NC 4.27
   5 i07-ppu01.diamond.ac.uk:49508  CP                                NC 2.98

I have found many instances of a db expansion where the macros are not substituted correctly, so there are multiple records requesting the PV " CP" (and maybe "CP" - although I can't find those, so maybe it is just the output formatting)
e.g.

record(longout, "BL07I-EA-DET-10:OVER:1:PositionXLink")
{
    field(DOL,  " CP MS")
    field(OMSL, "closed_loop")
    field(OUT, "BL07I-EA-DET-10:OVER:1:PositionX PP")
    info(autosaveFields, "DOL")
}

Is it possible these requests are putting significant extra load on the IOCs?

Cheers,
Gary
From: Johnson, Andrew N. <anj at anl.gov>
Sent: 23 July 2021 17:02
To: Yendell, Gary (DLSLtd,RAL,LSCI) <gary.yendell at diamond.ac.uk>
Cc: EPICS tech-talk <tech-talk at aps.anl.gov>
Subject: Re: Channel Access Timeouts - ca(get|put) CA Priority
 
Hi Gary,

On Jul 23, 2021, at 9:51 AM, Yendell, Gary (DLSLtd, RAL, LSCI) via Tech-talk <tech-talk at aps.anl.gov> wrote:

We are having very occasional issues with CA timeouts (with a timeout of 3 seconds) from our control software (GDA). I think it is because the IOC sometimes doesn't respond when it is overwhelmed with requests and when we have multiple instances of EDM screens open it can produce a lot of requests. These timeouts can cause scans to fail, so responsiveness for the EDM screens is much less important. If we add an appropriate value for the CA Priority option to ca(get|put) in control software requests, would that make the IOC respond to it in preference to other clients and stop the timeout errors? Or am I misunderstanding what this option does?

The priority of a CA connection controls the priority of the EPICS threads in the IOC that are responsible for sending and receiving the CA messages. Whether and how the EPICS thread priority maps to that of the underlying OS depends on what OS the IOC is running on.

For IOCs running on Linux the EPICS thread priority only has an effect if the IOC has enough privilege to use the real-time scheduler (regular users generally don’t have this enabled). See this tech-talk message for a description and this how-to for detailed instructions. You might not even need to set the priorities of your CA connections to fix this though, just enabling the scheduler may be enough since the IOC thread that responds to name searches runs at a lower priority than the CA threads (which are lower again than the IOC’s threads that run the process database).

The other thing you might want to do is look at the CA search traffic on your subnet and see if it’s worth cleaning up any clients that are searching for PV names that don’t exist. If you don’t keep an eye on old GUI screens and other clients these dead searches can severely load down your IOCs. There are a couple of older tools I know of which can help to identify those PV names (caSnooper is probably best known), but the community might have others that I don’t know about.

HTH,

- Andrew

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